The heart

A Talk of Her Holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi on Heart Chakra, February 1977


….. Now this left hand side of the heart is concerned with
your Mother and with Shiva, the existence, you get your existance
through your Mother, and Shiva and Parvati, they are your parents, both of them are your parents as far as your existance is concerned, and it is such a beautiful centre is your heart centre. You want that
somebody should yield, or something you find somebody very obstinate,
well I have told you that you can beat them with shoes, do all those
things, but there`s a very simple way if you know how to do it, you
see, just think of their …….., their heart, and put a bandhan to
that, and you can do it so beautifully you can melt a person without
any difficulties if you know how to handle their heart. You have to
appeal to their heart and that` s the best attraction I tell you
and the west secret method by which you can bring good in them when
you are talking to somebody. Supposing I, now intellectually if I
start quarreling with you, you will give me up in no time, but I
have to use your heart power, and I have to enter into your heart and
that is how it works.

So always when you want to do something like that, just
humble down yourself in your heart, that is first, first of all
you must humble down yourself in your heart and from then you work on the heart of others. Just put a bandhan and you will see, a person
will melt away. We melt our intelligence, our ego, everything, even
our superego, in your heart. So it`s a very easy thing if you know
how to approach people through their heart, and that is only
possible if you are genuine, because genuinesess is something that a
heart recognises. You can befool a person with your cunning methods,
but the heart will recognise it later on, and the person will hate
you. Even if you talk to someone oh, very nice, oh very good, thank
you very much, very nice … and the heart knows ~Oh he`s trying to
befool me, and he`s very cunning.~ The heart`s going to hate such a
person and heart has ethe eyes to see and feel the pperson, so if you
could appeal to somebody`s heart and put a bandhan on the heart vou
can melt that perons and if you love someone and if you want that
person should be corrected, supposing such a person is a drunkard or
a person who beats you and is torturing you because he`s under the
spell of some drugs or some sort of a foreign thing then you just put
bandhan to his heart and you will see, they will change they will
change him very fast, and that`s why you say ~change of heart~,
everywhere you find, in every scripture, it is written, a change of
heart is needed, not a change of clothes, so it`s not intellectual
changing, but it is the change of heart, and that is brought about
by moving the heart chakra on the right hand side in the clockwise
manner, that is the heart itself in the clockwise manner. If you
can do that, you can really do marvels, and that`s how on a collective basis, the heart is sort of the innermost, innermost string of the
collective one string that is passing through all of us. So if you
could strike at the innermost, because in a 3 1\2 circle that`s the
innermost part. If you touch there, it passes over the ………….
Supposing you touch somewhere else then it might break, but at the
beginning if you start striking it, it goes very nicely and passes
into complete circumference.

Now the centre one I have told you is the heart plexus
which we call as cardial plexus, and it has got ten sub-plexuses, and the English names for that are, again I’m going to give you the complete list, I don’t know when we’ll have time to go
through the medical journal, but I’ll find out all all of them, and
I’m going to tell you what they all it in, in medical terminology.
But they know that there are ten sub-plexuses which are supplying to
the muscles of the heart, to the lungs, and to the right side lungs,
and that’s how it divided. But they do not know that it is already
three parts, and then there are ten petals which are working it out,
I’m sorry twelve petals, I’ll talk about later. So three divided into
twelve is four each side. But actually it is not so. It is the ten
petals are together in the centre, and the centre one is know as the
“sacred heart”. In the bible it is called as “sacred heart”, and
this sacredness of that heart in the astract form is the motherly
love of God. That’s why the Jagadamba, Mother of the Universe,
resides there. And these, those twelve petals act according to the
Mother Earth, the heart, and that’s why we cannot allot them to this
side or that side, because it is She who actually makes them pulsate,
so here She becomes a dominant person and not the heart, there the
spirit rules.

So spirit rules by itself, and it is ruled with the help of
the reflection of God Almighty, Himself. It is on its own, it is
arbitrary. It sees, it watches, it is the witness. It wachtes the play
of these ten petals, 12 petals here, but if it finds that there’s too
much of strain on the centre one, it just switches off, and when it’s
switched off, the whole thing stops.

You see, so you must understand the difference between the
other chakras and this one, in that there is the spirit on one side
and the Mother on the other side, and on the other side is a human,
perfect personality, three things all put together. Now, if you
reduce them to your three powers, you’d understand. On one side is
the instrument, or you can say the nucleus for the left hand side
working. In the centre it is, or you can say left hand side working
you can say the Mahakali’s working in the centre you can say it is
for Swaddha Mahalakshmi working, and the nucleus for the working of
the right hand side where Rama resides, because we can call it a
nucleus. The reason is because He was not active, He was active
without feeling, without feeling He witnessed it.

Now they combine here, where Krishna came and He felt,
witnessed it, and He called it as Leela, is the whole ting. Rama
never called it as Leela, but He called it asplain. So that’s why
Krishna here is completed, and that’s why we call Him as Sampura,
is a comlete incarnation, Adi.

Do you know that Christ was here, and I’ve told you about
Christ in that book, I’ve read it out to you, the Devi Mahatmyam,
what they have describe about Him, how He was created, and how He was brought here, He was Mahavishnu, and how it ist He was put there, but that is not, just now we are discussing we are just now discussing about theses threee powers of the heart.

Now what is the connection of these three powers? Why
should they be placed at that time? Because at this juncture, we have
three nucleus working together in, on three different channels and they are to be connected somehow.They are to be connected, otherwise, you see, in a human being there is not so much a connection established because there’s no Kundalini awakening. There is parasympathetic is halfway hanging, dangling and how are they to connect between the heart which is existance between the heart, which is evolution, which is the heart, which is activity.

So at this juncture, which is kept connected, once the heart
heartt stops, everything stops simultaneously. But when you are on
this level, then your horoscope’s your heart. Horoscope can work out
only up to this point, because if you predict a person is to die
according to a horoscope. Now say, they saz he’s going to die, say
tomorrow. But die much later. Or he’ll die whenever he feels like
stopping, it has happened. Because he goes beyond this limit,where
these three things are connected. So you see, we say that you have
got limited number of breathing. Breathing becomes so slow after
realisation, the rate of breathing is on so slow, that as it is
realised it is much elongated, and the connection becomess very
much different, because the heart stops, once you stop it, it
cannot stop because other activities are stilled. So first of all,
when a realised soul dies, the Kundalini has to pass out from here,
and then the heart stops.It’s a different phenomena, and that’s why
when a realised soul dies, they find, that the prana, the life does
not pass through the mouth or from the nose, but it passes through
here, and you find a clot of blood ( ), but that is the sign that a person was realised of a great height, but those who die, even before such an achievement, they do not die with their eyes open, neither with nose bleeding, or with their mouth open, but just with no bleeding at all, from the nose or from the mouth, no bleeding at all. And it could be they have to take pressure tests from them. Otherwise, in every other death there is ( ). Eyes in some people may be open, but if they are fully realised then they’ll be closed. So this is the difference is, but at this level everything works out your, because you are still at a level where you have not reached the witness state, and that is the reason, your horoscopes are working out your, all material things are working out at this level, and that’s how you become miraculously different.

I’ll give another example of that, how you become
miraculous. For example, a realised soul is driving by a train. We have
got this example, a concrete example in here. There was a realised soul
travelling by a train, and the train collided, and not a single person
was killed in that, and there was, it has taken so many somersaults,
and nobody could explain. There was one car accident where one realised soul was going by that car, it was a very big car and many boys were there, and some of them were caught up together, and they were all drunk and they were singing, and he didn’t know what to do, but he was there somehow or other, and not a single person died in that, when this happened, which people were surprised how it had happened.

Even if a realised person is walking, and if there is an
accident that is going to come up, he’ll find suddenly something will
happen that the accident will be averted. If you could put a bandhan at
that time, you can immediately avert the accident.

You see, such a person who is realised who has gone beyond
this state and has become a witness to it, such a person not only
saves himself but saves others,so all your horoscopes and all these
things you go into in different categories,for a realised soul
becomes, the whole thing changes. The whole thing changes, absolutely changes and he becomes a different person. His hands changes, his lines, and people start saying “oh you must have been this, and you must have been that” and when you see, those people who are not realised, if they see your hand they might depict the spirituality that has come into it, but still they stick onto certain things, and they say some things, you see, that they cannot see. But if it is a
realised soul, he can tell you immediately that at what age you will
get your full realisation, what will happen, all sorts of things, if
he’s a fully realised person. But actually, people after realisation
have no interest left in all these things, so seldom ask. I’ve not
know anyone who’s a realised soul and still busy telling hands and
things like that. He has no interest left.

But now, this coming back to the heart again. On the right
hand side we have got Rama’s place. now Rama was know for his
obedience to Swaddha, if you know the story. His father was in
Ayodhya, he was ruling there, and he had three wives. The third wife
had two sons, but she could not see Rama getting the throne. She
was a very nice mother, but somebody you see, some lady went and
told something to her and she listened to her, and she told her
husband that if you want to give me my boon, the promised boon, you
have to make Rama go into the jungle for 14 years, and give the
throne to my sone Bara, but when the ……… heard this, he
fainted, he fainted with this request, but Rama was there, He heard
it, and He immediately told her that I am going to the forest and
I’ve accepted it and your point your son has developed for me, it’s
all right, and that’s how He went, see. Just to obey the order of His
father, because father had not even ordered, but because he was
compelled. He had given his wife two boons, that once you see in the
war she saved his life, so he said that whenever you want you can ask
for these two boons, and they were, she never knew that she would use them in such a funny way.

Later on she repented, because ……………….. He
refused to accept the throne and he put only Rama’s slippers there,
and ruled there, and everything was different, but Dasaratha died,
because when Rama went away, he just died.

So you see, Rama’s life shows how He was obedient to His
parents. He suffered so much, anyone who has not been respectfull to
His parents. Yoe see, of your parents have been unkind, you have
every right to tell them that they should not be unkind to you, and
that you feel hurt, but you have no buisiness to answer them back
and you have to be respectful, you have to be respectful because
they represent your primarodial perents. You are not to shout at them
and misbehave. You have to be respectful to them. They may be bad
people, but you have to respect them, because you have chosen them.
When you were born, you chose them. You could not have been born to them, you have really chosen them and you said, ‘These are going to
be my parents’. So if they are your parents, they are there because
of certain reasons, because you have been seeking them in your
previous lives, and that’s how you are there. For example now, you
see, you meet some parents and you think they are very good parents
to their children. She said “Oh God, can I get them as my parents?’
Oh asking, have it. Unless you have it, you know what it is to be
their children.

Then you start misbehaving with them, that’s not the way.
Now only do not come with such mistakes of choosing wrong parents,
and be respectful to them and it comes as a blessing, it is always
very blissful, your parents will be very hard, disciplinig time,
misunderstanding time, I know it’s very hard, and with the education
that you have and with the understanding you have of the whole world
you think they’re absolutely foolish and babyish and immature, and
specially when you have vibrations, you feel even worse about them,
addicted to things, and they could be quite slaves, but you must
understand that you see they have got these troubles, we could have
been the same if you had not come to Sahaja Yoga, you could have been much worse, so let us understand them, try to help them out, and if you are respectful I tell you, you can be very sure, if you are
respectful you can change them.

Elders you can never change by telling them off,that’s not
the way to change your elders, start behaving in a manner that they
should be respected, this is, I’m telling you the secret,how to handle
your parents is to be extremely respectful to them so they realise
‘Oh God, when he respects me so much, how dare I misbehave in their
presence.’ This is the secret of handling your parents and not by shouting at them, no that you have to do with your ……. but not with your elders, with your elders you have to create a feeling in them that they are to be respected.

It hasppens, you see, you try, you try this thing with your
elders. If you want anybody your elder to be nice to you, try to be
extremely respectful, anmd the person starts wondering ‘Now what
should I do to keep yup my respect so I should not loose it?’ And
what they value most is the respect. Elders, they value the most is
the respect. And if you give them the respect they will not five it
yp for anything. You can make them do whatever you like if you really
show them the respect. And they will fight to keep it by giving up
anyuthing.You ccan make them do whatever you lke if yuou really show
them the respect. And they will fight to keep it by giving yp
anything that you see, lures them away from you, to keep the

But you see, it happens like that, you find your parents
not doing what is right, you start supecting them , then they think
‘There it is, we have lost the respect,what are we going to gain
now?’ Because you see, these things do not sort of create any, any
recording in their brains.

We had a case, some boy he told me about his father, that
he’s been like this and he’s behaving in such a manner, and it’s very
wrong of him. I said “I agree it’s very wrong of him he should not do
it,” and so I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “We are hitting
him, and we are hitting, abusing him.” And I said, “That’s not the
way. When he comes home you try to be very respectful. Try.” It
worked. He gave yup the woman. Because he cares for the respect. And you know how much is respect? After all, most of the people if you
see in this world, they want respect. If you respect someone, that
person is willing to give up anything for that respect. And a father
deserves it, because he’s your father, and once you accept, “Yes,
father, yes, yes”, and in a respectful way, you just try, and you see
it will work.

You see if you want something, all right, what will you
have, just ask, but can we stop it at that point, let us talk about
something, you can direct the attention of your father only by being
respectful, you just try with your mother and father. You’re not to
boss over them, it’s real, I’m telling you the secret. Is not for
anything for you see, to make you change your ways or anything, but
I’m just telling you the secret because you have lost the idea of the
secretive methods of winning over people and understanding them and
managing them, and really you will have your way. Only thing is to
respect them. I thought we might have some questions.

But bible is a book which is being compiled by various
people at different places at different stages, and all this was
revealed to them by the unconscious. All the knowledge that you find
in the bible was revealed to them by the unconscious, and they could
not actually understand the full text of it. Whatever they un
derstood or gathered, they put it down. Part of it was lost because
it was not immediately recorded, and also because the original
bible itself was lost, so all explanations, all the things were left
behind and that’s how people have a very good loophole to make
whatever they feel like about all the great words that are in the
For example “The word” – what is the word? Is it logos or
something? What is that? What is it comprising of, what does that
mean, how it starts, from where it has come? It is Om. Om comes from
three words| uh, ooh, muh. Uh, ooh, muh. Uh stands for the first
creation of the lefthand side, what we call the Mahakali power. First
only in the world manifestation of the superego took place, so we can
say that uh stand for the beginning when only up to the stage when
life was not created. Oooh stands for the other stage, where, now
sound is the same. Sound is the same, manifestation is different. The
voice is the same, my sound is the same, for example whatever is my
sound, you can make it out wherever I speak, this is Mataji
Maybe the manifestation is different in uh, ooh, muh, so
first uh starts, then comes to ooh, which is Mahasaraswati power. We
can say the three notes which we have as, I don’t know in English
what you say to the notes but we say| sah, uh sah ………….., the
basic three notes, so the second note is that of Mahasaraswati by
which the life – sun life – started working. And the third one is the
muh through which evolution started taking its place. So that is the
Mahalakshmi stage. So you have got these three powers working
together, and that is, in a very short form, we say it is Om.
But it is not only that human beings have said it. When you
meditate you have seen that Ommm. I’m saying that these three powers have a third, these three sounds, and that’s how this word is
created, of Om. For a realised sould, Om is a most powerful thing. For
example, if you want to protect yourself, the word Om itself can protect, and when these three powers combine as Om we say that this only the child or the sun god represents in its purest form Om. That’s why in the life of Christ, or we can say in the life of a personality that
represented the son of God, Om is very imprtant because he embodies
that Om within himself. All these three powers are in him, and in the
most innocent form. What I’m trying to say is this way, now yow take
any other deity, any other deity except for this one. Take any other
deity, you will find they have more of this power, of that power.
For example, if you take say, Vishnu, who stands for evolution, if
you take, say, Brahmadeva, he stands for creation. If you take
Mahesha, he stands for the what you call the superego side. Even if
you take Krishna, he stands for evolution. But when you rise here,
then only you find that all these three powers combine here at the
agnya. Till agnya they are separated. At the agnya they combine.
That’s why it is very important that all theses three powers are
controlled by Christ, and that’s why Jesus Christ is the most
important deity as far as Sahaja Yogis are concerned, because
evolution is all right, but the complete co-ordination and
protection of a human being is only possible if you have all these
three powers in your hands.

She got her evolution quite all right, she got her realisation
quite all right, but then she found that her left side is broken.
But supposing even if she’s evolved, what has she to do if the left side
is overpowering her? Only Christ can save. Now supposing the right side
is overactive, some people it is, you know that very well, that right side
of many people is active when you find their ego is too much temper.
For them also, supposing they get evolved, what will happen they’ll
shoot all. But if they’re attacked by their ego, only Christ is the
person who is going to give them a balance. And if you see Christ,
Christ is nothing but a complete balance. It is a complete balance at
a higher position. Have you seen a balance, how it is? Balance if you
see which is kept at a higher position that the centre. And that’s how it
is, He balances, and that’s why He is the Omkara Himself, the embodiment of a Omkara because as we know that He is Ganesha, and Ganesha is Omkara personified.

In this sound of Omkara, the complete sounds of the worlds
are there. All the permutations and combinations, the complete melody
of this universies within thiese three sounds| uh, ooh, muh. It is
based on Om.

When the Kundalini moves also, it moves in three ways| uh,
ooh, muh, because in the lower protion it is the uh. In the centre
portion it is the ooh, and here it is the muh. Meaning that at the
lower portion of the human being we are what was created as dead
matter. In the centre we are what is creation, means creativity, and
in the third is the evolutionary, so even we are diveded in three
ways – is, we are, our upper part is muh, central part is ooh and the
lower paert is uh. That is how we are, and when you say Om in a
proper way, you find the Kundalini rises.

There is no difference at all as far as Bible is concerned,
and Sahaja Yoga is concerned, as far as Koran is concerned and Geeta
is concerned. Only the peole with very limited vision see the difference.
The one who has seen the internal of it cannot see any difference,
because it’s just the same. Only thing is because of circumstances,
because of different methods by which it was manifested, you find a
little difference in them, but as far as the matter is concerned and
the substance is concerned, its ist just the same. I do not find even
a word which I cannot explain in the Bible, or in the Koran, or in the

Everything can be explained very clearly, but the problem with
people is they cannot think in a unified manner, human beings cannot.
They must try to find out the shell or a kind of a pool to stagnate.
That’s human nature. They want to become worms, all the time, because they were once, they want to again become worms and amoeba, I think they’ll end uyp with being – I don’t know what to say. That’s why. They cannot see the one universal truth that is flowing into them, and that is the reason which has killed religions, all over, vecause
once you know that there is one sound that is passing through all of
these beautiful religions, the flowers of universal creation, then
there cannot be any problem or fight, and by creating this kind of
death for all the religions,they have allowed these horrible people
to come up and occupy the stage now, so you have them very nice, to
overcome all our physical, emotional and mental problems.

Om works like anything. Now you may say that where is the
word Om in the Christian religion? It is in Amen. Amen is nothing but OM, because muh means a nasal sound, and end of a nasal sound, and nuh also means nasal sound, because in the Arabic language it’s written like a nee, you see, and nee with my name, you say, nooh, with my name starts nuh, also written with a dot, all of them have got a dot. It’s a dot which shows that it’s a nuh. And in the Sanskrit language, dot means nuh. And that is why it is muh and nuh. Amen is the same as OM.

Now the problem is everything, as evolution goes up,
changes and that’s why OM was brought to the level of Amen. Uh became Ah and Ooh became Muh, and Muh became Nuh. As I told you that Christ came as a human being, bu He was Ganesha. And the swastika became the cross. The same way, OM is Amen. So after every prayer, you are supposed to say Amen. Why not Amen? What does that mean? From there the word OM ends in English language. If you see, even in the word, in the languages, the universality is ringing but we hve no eyes to see the universality. We think| Oh we are Christians. We believe in Christ. We don’t believe in all this nonsense. Because others are all nonsensical. But how are you related to Christ? How much do you know of Christ? That nobody knows, you see. And that is how all the problems of all the reliions are now coming before you, that people just dont belive in anything. They say that believing in religion is
tomfoolery. All this tomfoolery goin on. Why wast such a lot of
money on churches? Why should we have any popes, and why should we have any big organisations in the name of God? Why should we have
temples, why should you? I mean, there are, as here, we have
everywhere people who are revolting against all these so-called,
they soay so-called religions, but everthing that has come into being
in the name of God, in the purity of heart of people has come to them
from God Himself. The only problem is, when it is communicated to a
human being who is not yet realised, even realised, how far are they
realised? You have seen now, how much Kevin knows and how much you know.

So even those are are slightly realised, how much are they
going to know what he wants to communicate? And that’s why this kind
of foolish separation started among human beings, and once you
disintegrate religion into religions – finished. That was the best
way of finishing religion, because they did not give the substance,
the importance to the substance. They just tried to give importance
to something that is so superficial, and that superficiality also
was created by these horrid people, who just wanted to use Christ as
their pocketbook, Krishna as if He belongs to their household. This
OM has been used all over the world in a very very subtle way, and
the muh’s word means Ma, and you know that all of us, for a Mother,
say Ma. You go anywhere in the whole world, they understand the word
Ma. Nobody has problem as far as the word Ma is concerned,because it
ends up into that,that means the whole creation ends up at the feet
of the Mother, even Christianity you can understand that it is the
Mother, even is love. When they talk of Mahommed Sahib, they must
know that He had to take the help of fife women to be there. And
they were alone better than the other, all of them were uh ooh
muihs, with him, the powers. They were the powers that he had, and
that’s how he had to marry so many. Noone understands what was it,
for example his own first wife Hadjia was nobody else but
Mahasaraswati. His own daughter was nobody else but Mahalakshmi. So
it was all his powers expressed as his wife, or sister, or daughter who
helped him in his lifetime, sustaining his powers.

Now the same word OM is used by negative forces also. How
do they use it? They will give this name to some devil, normally they
do not, because this is one of the purest words which cannot be
contaminated. Normally they will not, normally they will not. I have
not met anyone so far who has got a devil on him with the name OM,
and nobody so far has given this name to anyone, but I have seen
people giving names like …………. These are the names, different
– Imee stands for Mahakali, bree for Mahasaraswati, glee for
Mahalakshmi – I’m sorry – Imee for Mahakali, ree for Mahalakshmi and
glee for Mahasaraswati. So they will give these names, separately I
have ssen, to the devils whom they want to put, for example I will
take the name of the gentleman,you know him, who calls himself
trascendental and all that, he uses these names. Of course, out of
them the first one Imee is now tied up somewhere. Now, this Imee bree
glee, though they are the names of the Godesses. He can use, but he
cannot use the name of OM, and he cannot use the name of Jesus. He
cannot give the name of Shri Ganesh. These names are beyond their
……….. You see because they are terrible, a Mother can forgive,
but these people are, they just burn them out, and that’s why they
dare not put these names. You will not find, though they will say it
like this, that in the name of Jesus, you see, they might say. They
might use the word Jesus, you see, in the name of Jesus I give you
this, like that, and they say the photograph of Jesus and all that,
and they might even use cross. Because you can see cross made by
these people only. They can put them. But thy cannot give the name of
Jesus to these devils, they cannot ask you| say Jesus, Jesus. They
will never say that. But they say ………. They might say all
kinds of oohms and everything. But with all of these they can attack
someone, like this, they say| Om naho Shivaya, it’s all right. Om namoh
Shiva, now, OM you have put it, in that it neutralises, they perhaps
do not know it neutralises a little bit. Om namoh Shivaya.

So somebody’s name is Namoh Shivaya, and he comes into it.
And it means “so great” means you bow to Shiva. That aspect of God
which is eternal. But they will say that you take the name Om namoh
Shivaya because with that the thing you see, it’s overpowered by
Shiva, and that’s how they will put Om with that, but they’ll never
give a single word as Om at …………point, because no devil will
own that name, it’s too great. And these are the tricks these people
play with the word Om, and you should play with the same. Whenever
you feel like that, you just say Om. Don’t say anything else, say Om.
For you, every sentence has an end. Even if you say Om namoh Shivaya
………… But even if you say Om Jesus, it’s enough. Now in a
circle, if you say the complete universe into a circle, then you make
three portions of that, you get three arches. Say one is uh, another
ooh, another muh. When you try to reconstruct them, then you get uh
ooh and muh, there are three arches, you reconstruct them. First
arch is bent like this | uh,ooh, second one like that, and the third
one is muh. And the dot on that is the centre point Is the centre
point of the circle, dot on that. Now you have seen how Om is written
down, and that is how it is, the three arches are described like
that, so the whole creation and the centre dot, which is the God
Himself, all put together makes the OM , and that is how it is being
named. I think I have told you now first of all when the creation
too, place, how first the OM was formed. Did I tell ypu with the
parabole, with the drawing, so the first sound, the first sound that
started because of the separation, the first separation when it too,
place between the two identities, God and His Power, that was the
time the sound started, and that sound is nothing else but OM. That
sound will be there and will work out till these two identities
become one, then there is no relativity left and so there is
nothing, so people think the world has come out of nothing, because
there is no relativity, when they become two then there is
something, otherwise they are one and absolute, and so there is
nothing, when the sound merges or finshes or, as we say, diappears
………..(inaudible). That is the time when the whole creation
merges into one action. So that is the point where one has to go.
Now, in your own being it happens. First you feel the OM,
you feel it sometimes the sound coming, sometimes you feel some sort
of tingling going on, because there are seven sounds, which are easily
discernible out of this Om. Easily. But there are many, but I am saying
at least seven you can easily find out. If you sit down sometimes you
might hear some sort of a bell ringing, sometimes you’ll hear as if there
is a waterfall, and sometimes you’ll hear as if in the night, the
small crickets are singing. You see all kinds of sounds are coming,
uyou see you feel that they are there,something is happening, in the
night, you see,that sort of a feeling yo’ll get, all different types
of ounds there are, but seven sounds you can easily find out, and all
of them put together make the OM. So, if you play all of them in a
proper manner, in a melodious manner, well we can say in a harmonious
manner, then you’ll hear the sound Om.

Now, when there is a suggestion coming to you from somewhere,
you’ll always feel there is a sound coming in your ears, so you’ll be
alerted. You are alerted, and you just pay attention what ideas are
coming, and then suddenly you get an idea. Note it down. These are the ideas coming from the unconscious. Just wait, a sound will come. And the sound will suggest that there is a suggestion coming, you note it down.

But with the devil, such a thing will never happen, you
will never get the sound, you also will get “Ad… or something
………. with maybe little fragments because they carry as
fragments, just ………… But mostly you get horrid smell of, as
of burnt leather, or something like rotten egg, horrid smells you get
from such people who are possessed. So this OM is, is a sound that
understands, that talks, hat organises, that informs, and that is the
sound of the Divine love, This is the electrical feeling that you get
on your hand. But this is the sound.

So we have got also five very subtle type of expression of
five elements,and those are this fine sound of OM, the vibratons are
the electrical, there is a magnet in that sound, or in that powered,
for a person who is, who is realised. The person who is blessed by
God has a magnetic power. That person attracts. That person my not
even speak about, but people know about these things. They know that he’s a man who’s realised, there’s something special about him.
Immediately you can find it out, what he is. It is because of this
sound and the magnet. You must have heard that sound when we
converted into matter. In the same way, all these things are
converted, the sound becomes a magnet, the magnet becomes the
vibrations, the vibrations can become the spirit. So these are all
convertible, and part and parcel of the same thing, the same energy
which is the Divine love, which is love. Love has a sound, and love
has electricity,it has got magnetism. and it has got the power. When
all these subtle powers are poured on to any human being, it acts, it
acts, and people start improving in their health. You must have
heard of experiments where people have tried music on some people
who are hot well, and they have been cured. And what happens is that
they, the subtler, subtler powers of the sound that we are
manifesting, that behind it, the power that is manifesting it, comes
into play. Which is a very small thing there, but with you people,
when you pur you hand this is the sound of OM which is vibrating, it
is so mico, micorwaved, vibrations, that you cannot see with a
magnifying glass, you will not see my finger shaking at all, you’ll
say they are very steady, but they’re very microwaves. And the
microwaves, when they pass into the body of the human beings, or
anything, there they awaken the microwaves that are sleeping in the
body of the human beings, or whatever things you use, and they start
generating the second, what you call, phase as the ………..of the
outside …………..

For example, I’ll tell you how. Now,I put my hand to a person
who is sick. Now here I put it, and he is sick on this part, he has
got some trouble, what happens? These waves,they’re passing to
there, and whatever are sleeping inside you see, they are sort of
regenerated. And they start getting awakened, and they start getting
strengthend. Now, they generate the other manifested ones, or we can
say the apperent ones, by which the person feel cured. For example,
we put like this, now the blood is clotted here, there’s no blood
flow. You put your vibrations there, what happens, that the blood
clot starts dissolving, because the dissolution power of the blood is
with the Vitamin K. And the Vitamin K is excited because these
vibrations passing through that, and the Vitamin K is excited
there. Later on by the microwaves which are receding, and that’s how
it works. But you cannot see that. They just work. They are
abrusha(?). They are invisible. But they are there. To record them is
impossible. Because human beings do not have any such instruments.
Now at least, thank God, the scientists have accepted that we
haven’t got ears to record everything that is in the sound. so, in
the same way, they haven’t got records to record the vibrations of
these microwaves.

Now, when you people say Om, realised people, when
you say Om, the sound waves of Om, you just try on a person who is,
just now you are having some pain there. All right. Now just now
you put your hand there and say Om. Try it

I want to first tell you about my meeting, and why Gandhi is
so important. Perhaps you have never realised what a tremendous
instrument Gandhiji was. At the age of seven years he just picked Me
up from My family, and I stayed with him, very very close, extremely
close, and he used to call Me as Nepali. That was my name. And
everybody knew me by that name. After 40 years, or say 45 years or
so, suddenly I met ……….. in the wedding of his own son. And I
went to him, I saw immediately he recognised me. He said| What,
Nepali, how are you here And just tears started rolling down my eyes.
That was Ganhiji. He was a tremenous hard master also, and I always
used to say that you can be hard, but how can you be hard with all
these people? He would make us get up at 4 o’clock. It was very easy
for me to get up at four because you see, my body had no habits, I
can get up any time and sleep any time,but I speak for others
……….get up at four o’clock, and they had to clean their
temples, they had to even, they sometimes had to clean, clean the
bathrooms and the lavatories,and everything with their own hands. He
was a tremendous hard master, but an extremely loving and compassionate person. He, as just now, as everyone has said,he defintely always used to talk to Me in a way as if I was a grandmother, you see, and he used to discuss things with Me, most surprising to all others,in a way,and I was big and wiser,to everyone,and he would make me say(?). And he said that guidance can be had better from some children than from the older people, Even when I again went to Gamlasha (?) this time, my husband told me the same thing,do you remember he used to say so. I said I remember that. But somehow he had recognised me, and he knew about me, you see by ………….whohad recognised me, and somehow or other, by which we have not been able to know, by which there were some people ………(large section inaudible) somewhere near there ………..(?)
there were people who werre absolutely standing an areas of
………(?). They would not tolerate anything that was wrong for
themselves. First thing they had was to keep themselves like that, in
dharma. And Gandhiji used to really …………(?) and ask us
…………..(large section inaudible).

He was a tremendous personality. And the thing that I have
learnt from himn, I should say was one of the things which I could
never have understood otherwise, is a sense of public money. Actually
I have no sense of money at all, I am so………..(?). I do not know
what is bank, I do not know how to cash a cheque. I still, you know,
I mean, I must have cashed lots of cheques but I don’t know how to do
it, even today if you want to teach me I just can’t learn.I am no good
for that. But I’ve seen Gandhiji’s sense of public money, he was so keen, so keen and so sharp that anybody who has lived with him, I cannot understand, how can they take to this kind of cheapdealing with public money.

Once we had a meeting of all the big leaders, and they came to
Nandi ashram where we all girls were staying, and some boys werde there, looking after them, giving them pamphlets and things, and suddenly Gandhiji realised that it is very late and they should have their lunch in the ashram itself. So he said that why not have your lunch here. They said all right, if you think you will have, all right. So he got up, he always had ……….. with him because ………… not there so he came down, and he told us, “Let us weigh food for them and take it
out.” So then we had to weigh according to the number of people who were there. He said I am a bakhta pavya, you must properly weigh everything and take it out, and then he took about 15 minutes to do all that, then again he took the piece, put it back and went on with his work. I think it was Molanazad(?) or someone who was there who said,”Babu I never give, we never mean that you”ll be put to so much trouble for our sakes. We could have gone back a little later and had ………. He said.”Trouble, what trouble? No.” The way you got up and had to take away (?),you are so cautious and careful about it.

You know the word he said, you know.”This is the blood of my
people.I cannot allow it to be wasted or in any way spilled”. Just
imagine, he said.”Nibhani dani mira droga” I mean, I cannot forget his
sense of understanding. And even I have seen Mr. Shastri do the same. I mean, there was nothing like a double standard. On the contrary, the
closer you get to them, you respected them much more, because they are so clean, and so clean,and they thought with that they’d maintain that cleanliness, and that standard.

We are really very lucky to have such great people born in
this country of ours. Only the trouble is that we have forgotten what
great contribution they have done, that Gandhiji was one who came on
this earth to save us from this fallen domination, in such a unique
manner he laid down the basis for Sahaja Yoga. Actually, in every way
he laid down. For example if you see his ideas, economic ideas, are
absolutely in tune with Sahaja.

Now after the Industrial Revolution and Industrial Revolution
as they call it in the west, people have gone so far in creating
aggressive economy that they are astonded the way now, things are
working out in those countries. The aggression that started with the
industry, the machinery,is now directed towards the human beings
themselves. In England, you’ll be amazed, which is the soberest country
among all others. In England, every week two children are killed by their
parents is the statistics. Can you imagine? Good children. They are not
illegitimate children. No family is safe from this aggression. The
aggression is now towards oneself, is absolutely self-destructive.
The machinery, the child that started creating things also mad human
beings machines,and these machines had no feelings within them, and the feelings started drying up and drying up to such an extent that human beings have become feelingsless. They have no emotions left.

I don’t know if Gandhiji could have sensed it to that
extent, because you know, it is difficult for a saint to see the forces
of evil, how far they can harm, it’s a very difficult thing. He did see
somthing of it, so he was warning, that don’t go in for heavy industries.
Heavy industries are very dangerous, and he threw out ……………
that tried to keep…………… place in industries.

With all this advancement in the west, you’ll be surprised that
the condition is such that you cannot get anything fresh. The food that you get is nothing but God knows what kind of a chemistry they have adopted, that all the time you feel you are eating chemicals. You do not feel you are eating any food. If you talk to people, you feel they are stumped/stunned(?), they are shocked and afraid of each other. There is no love, there is no trust, there is no give and take. Its’ such a
ridiculously absurd society that has been created, that it is
important for us so called developing countries to look where have
they fallen, to what ditches they have gone, and stand by and see for
yourself that though you are trying to use science, and use these
industrial achievements of other countries as a tool to our
advancement, you should know that they can completely destroy us, as they have destroyed those people.

The destruction is not from outside so much. Of course it
is in a way, the way we have created Hiroshima and all that, but the
destruction is from within, and that destruction is settling in such a
big way, that it’s impossible now to stop. Only way is to turn the
whole ting into a new dimension by which you can control it, and that
is only possible through Sahaja Yoga.Thank God, my husband was elected and I went to London, that we have now a base.

Gandhiji is the man who has created base for dharma in this
country of modern times. If you see his Bajanawi (?) you’ll be amazed,
it is all based on the different chakras, one after another all that
Bajanawi will start from one to another. Is just like how we do it for
our Kundalini awakening. It is based one after another, from one chakra
to another chakra, to another chakra, to another chakra, though he has not mentioned anything else. Apart from that, we in Sahaja Yohga, we have to take account of all the incarnations, of all the prohpets, of all the great primordial masters, who came on this earth and adjust
accordingly the different movements of the Kundalini . Because
according so Sahaja Yoga all these incarnations are within us, and
they help us,and we have to awaken them. Same thing Gandhiji has
done, is to tell us that we have to look around, we have to know
Bible, we have to know Geeta, we have to know all these great
scriptures and great people, and integrate.

Of course, that part is left to me, is the actualisation of
what he wanted to do. Though he definitely had prepared the base
economically, then political base also. He never believed in aggression.
Never. And he said that sharing should be brought. He always believed
even capitalism should be conquered through enlightenment. Though he was so busy with this emergency job of saving the whle nation, that he could not pay much attention to the subtler side of Sahaja Yoga, which I call awakening of the Kundalini of self-realisation. But he always talked
of, he always said about it, most surprising, he’s the only one I have
seen so far who was not doing self-realisation, but was so close to
it and could see clearly that self-realisation is the only way for
emancipation of human beings. His values and his styles were so

As a mother also, I was a child but I was a mother
throughout, and I would always feel that Gandhiji was little too
strict,and I used to say that, “You are too strict, I just can’t bear
it” and tears used to come into my eyes. I said “This is a bit too
much.” He said,”No. We are in emergency. We have to be disiplined. We
have to be disciplined, and we have to tell them.” So once I told
him,”Babu,if you want to discipline people, why not give them
discipline from within?” He said|”How to get to their place?” I
said.,”It is very easy. You can do it.” He said,”Not just now. Not
just now. First of all, let us be free. If you are not free, what can
we enjoy? We cannot talk about it. People will say that we are not even free. How can we talk of freedom of spirit? We should be free from
the foreign domination.”

I would say in emergency, supposing we use a boat to cross
over. Then we do not carry the boat on our heads, but we do carry the
experiences of our crossing, and those experiences are very great.
And the greatness about Gandhiji was that he created great only by
his personal character, and by his dynamic, absolutely dynamic
leadership. And the area when this has happened, I have seen those
people were absolutely regenerated. You cannot believe how sacrificing
they were. I have seen my own father, that today I think he was a
legendary man, if I tell you how great he was. I mean, every way, I
cannot find a single fault in his life as a leader.

But today it’s very different, and very sad that those who
were supposed to be Gandhiji’s people, followers. The other day I
talked to somebody that why not start with basic education, because
we don’t live in cities, why should we have this education? It
doesn’t go to the villages. So he said, “That’s very different, it’s
very different proposition” and all that. I was amazed, he was a
Gandhini, how could he talk like that? It is not at all difficult to
adopt Gandiji’s ways in India. As Gregoire told you, I have been to
China and Mao has definitely followed Gandhiji. He has copied
everything that Gandhiji has done. I was amazed because when I was
there I saw even ………… being practiced by him. All the things
that Gandhiji thought of, he has done and he has improved China. And
today, China is like a tiger. People are afraid. You see, this
tiger has now awakened. Now hat is it going to do? It has got its own
power. And this is what Gandhiji had dreamt, imagine that Mao should
use it, and why not our people? I don’t know. I should blame the
bureaucrats or the congressmen or the politicans who never
understood that Gandhiji was the most practical man, and now Sahaja
Yoga I’m sure will re-establish his ways. Definiteliy it has to be
established. Too much of asking, too much of elaborations, too much
of materialism makes you a slave of material.

You’ll be amazed. We are supposed to be poor people, we are
supposed to, but wer are not. In London, or in America, American
people are such miserly people that I’m absolutely shocked.
Absolutely shockingly miserly. To spend five rupees for us is nothing,
for somebody who comes to our house or something, but Americans are
such miserly people, even if they have to spend one rupee they’ll think
ten times. Same in England I find. And same inother places. Terribly
miserly calculating people.

I have known some people, if you go to their house they’ll
count heads and give you sandwiches accordingly. Horrid! And they
behave in such a ridicuolous manner. All the time they are thinking
about money, how to make this money, how to make that money, how to keep it. You cannot imagine, this affluence, so-called, has made them so poor. Absolutely absurd.

I always felt that through these material gains they might
become sort of satisfied people and would take to less materialism.
But it’s not so. It’s just the opposite. People have taken to
materialism as a religion, and it is so maddening, so maddening that you
can’t take it. You are just absolutely by the materialistic ideas you
have, the values (?). It is such a mad world that if you stay there,
then only you realise how maddening they are.

So as a result, these people that are here, you can see
them, they revolt. They could not bear it any more. They say, “We’ll
get out of it.” But still the clutches of materialism are so great
that they have to live with them, and they find it very difficult,
only through Sahaja Yoga they have been able to establish themselves
and steady themselves. I would say these are the great pioneers who
will change the whole of the west. They are the foundations of
tomorrow’s beautiful west, otherwise west is now a wasteland,
nothing but a wasteland I can tell you. I hope these people will take
to Sahaja Yoga in the right earnest (?) and will spread the message
of Sahaja Yoga, and will create that athmosphere as just now Dr.
………. was saying, the beautifying, the transforming
athmosphere. In all these western countries, run about, work it out
and bring the dawn of a new world in which we all live together as
human beings and as real brothers and sisters.

Sahaja Yoga has done a great service to humanity, and it
has given you antar yoga within yourself, it has given you antar
yoga between the Sahaja Yogis, and it is so great that some of these
people have been in India many a times, they have never been able
to come close to Indians, because all the Indians, those whom they
met, were all westernised without ………. . They had the same
ideas, the same philosophy, the same everything, and they were, they
were enamoured by the west, and they were just praising the western
culture and western way. But the first time they say, when they have
come now, they went to Indian religious, and the way they have come and embraced all these villagers, and the way they danced together, and the way they enjoyed, this is the real antar yoga, the real love
between all of them. The real enjoyment and the real oneness that
one feels.It is not just talking or saying of ideal things, that we
are brothers and siters, and you are listening, that you are all
brothers and sisters, and nothing which is, you just become, is the
actualisation you cannot just help it, helping another person. For
example now. if I am sitting here, and if I say that I have cured, I
am doing no good, I am not doinig it for any of you, I am doing it
because you are part and parcel of my whole (?). I have to jolly well
cure you if I want to feel all.
I can feel you within Myself. This is the actualisation of collective consiousness. And once that happens, you just start feeling the oneness, and today I am going to talk about collective consciousness to you, through Sahaja Yoga, how we get it, it’s an actualisation, not brainwashing or lecturing. This is the difference between the way people have been talking, we talk before it happens, but now the time has come, it is to happen…..


About Prasad

I am a simple person. My hobby is to spread Sahajayoga and nourish my growth in sahaja life with blessing of H H Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I was re-born as self realized soul from my divine mother on 20th March 2001 at Ram Lila ground, Delhi.
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  1. Appreciate your inforamtion. It is just too greeeeat!


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